If you're feeling overwhelmed and lost in navigating your teenager's mental health crisis, seeking solutions that seem out of reach, then you are not alone! The struggle to find effective ways to support your teenager's well-being can leave you feeling isolated and helpless, despite your best efforts. It's time to stop the cycle of frustration and discover actionable steps that can make a real difference for your teenager's mental health. Let's explore effective strategies together to bring about positive change and resilience in your teenager's life.
In this episode, Aaron Hale features Jamie Bateman as a guest on the podcast, delving into the challenging topic of mental health crises among teenagers. Drawing from his own experiences and personal journey, Jamie offers a candid and insightful take on supporting teenagers through mental health challenges. His practical strategies and genuine approach provide parents with valuable tools to navigate these complex situations, fostering an improved understanding and a sense of empowerment. Jamie's unique perspective and relatable storytelling make this episode a must-listen for any parent seeking guidance and support in the realm of teenage mental health.
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- Embrace the profound impact of human connection in overcoming life's obstacles.
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Speaker 0
Here's an episode where I was a guest on my friend, Aaron Hale's podcast. Aaron, was on my podcast a while back, and He's got a fascinating story, that you really need to check out. He was in a an EOD, a bomb explosion overseas years ago and and, became blind and deaf and is just crushing it. But he interviews me on this episode, and we talk about how to get unstuck. We talk about mental health, and we talk I get pretty specific about some real serious, and, challenging situations we've had to deal with in my own family with my son in particular. And, and how it's all about your perspective in dealing with with these challenges. So you're gonna get a lot of valuable points that we discuss regarding happiness, taking ownership, you know, dealing with challenges as they come along because they're guaranteed to to come along. And, it's just a real fun fun, but important and informative conversation, that I I that we had together. So definitely check this one out. Speaker 1
Welcome to the from adversity to abundance podcast. Are you an entrepreneur or aspiring entrepreneur, then this show is for you. Each week, we bring you impactful stories of real people who have overcome painful human adversity to create a life of abundance. Abundance. You are not alone in your struggle. Join us, and you will experience the power of true stories and gain practical knowledge from founders who have turned poverty into prosperity and weakness into wealth. This podcast will encourage you through your health, relationship, and financial challenges so you can become the hero in your quest. For free. Take ownership of the life you are destined to live. Turn your adversity into abundance. Speaker 2
Dingly, my friend. Welcome to the show. Speaker 0
Oh, Aaron. Thanks for having me, man. This is gonna be a fun fun chat. Speaker 2
It's been a little while since I was on your show. I wanna I wanna start off. Just introduced you in the the preamble, but we've known each other got virtually for a little while now, and you've got a similar show adversity to a bonus. I wanna ask you, From all the people you've spoken to, and your experiences and talking to people who have experienced adversity, maybe it's, self afflicted. Sometimes it's situational. But what do you think are the biggest mistakes people are making that get them get him stuck in his situations. Speaker 0
Sure. Yeah. Great question. And and you're right. My my show from adversity to abundance, which you were on. I just checked and your episode came out in September of twenty twenty two, episode twenty four. So you're, we're almost at a hundred now you're you're you were in that first first quarter. So, that was a fantastic episode. I definitely recommend your listener. Go back and listen to that. You're absolutely right. I I've been able to pull out some some lessons learned from our guests, in different themes and, and, you know, to to figure out kind of how our listener and and anyone can apply the lessons that, that are my guess have have been through in their life. So instead of having to go through the same, you know, adversity and learn the same lessons over and over and over, learn from the person who's already got the scars. Right? And, you know, that's that's the, that's the point of my show is to try and inspire people because The fact is, like you said, Aaron, some some adversity is self inflicted. Absolutely. No question about it. I've had drug drug addicts on the show, and, you know, you can you can probably argue that that, the the that's largely self afflicted. I mean, you could argue it either way, I guess. But then we've had other people, you know, that have had a medical diagnosis or or, you know, an explosion overseas, like you did, and and I mean, that's I would argue that you didn't bring that on to self. Right? So the so it really, some adversity is self inflicted and other other adversity is not. But I think, I think taking for one, it's, taking the long term view is is to answer your question more directly. I think one one lesson learned is take the long term view. So when you're in the thick of it or when you're stuck or when you're going through a hard time, which we are all guaranteed to go through. Just know that it it won't last forever, and so I think for me, that's been a key piece, both in my personal and business life, but also from the guests that we've had on our my show is that you've gotta be able to take that long term view when you're going through both good and bad and realize that, none of none of that situation's not gonna last for it's not permanent. Plenty of other, lessons that we've that I've learned along the way. Another comes to mind, which is, You should take the, the approach of even if versus what if, you know, what if can be a very dangerous way of thinking. Whereas if you take the approach, even if this bad thing happens, I'll still be okay. I've been through bad things before And then lastly, the the other thing that comes to mind is compounding. You mentioned that the term compounding before we hit record, how you're your show is starting to compound in listenership, which is awesome. In a bad way, can take a problem or adversity and compounds that situation and create more problems, that that weren't necessary. Right? So we've had, you know, maybe maybe you get a medical diagnosis and then because that is extremely painful and challenging, you start, start start drinking or something and, you know, to an extreme, and and that's only gonna compound your problem. Right? So, I think you know, compounding the problem is is one major issue out there. So, yeah, I I there's so many other lessons. I I know is I'm rambling at this point, but, you know, I think taking ownership of the situation, whether or not you created the situation, is critical because, I know you and I are both military guys, Jocko Wilink has a a book he put out a few years ago called Extreme ownership, and he talks about you know, whether or not you created this this situation that you're in, this challenge, this adversity that you're dealing with, you are in this situation And the best way to deal with it is to own it and step up to the plate and deal and deal with it head on. So don't ignore it and don't compound the situation by not owning, the situation that you're in. So, yeah. There's a tough love the question. There's a yeah. Speaker 2
I was just saying there's three great points right there. I mean, first, taking taking ownership. It's instead of being the victim, right, Speaker 2
Because, you know, when you're a victim of the situation, there really is no answer because you're just waiting for the situation to fix itself. Once you take ownership of it, it doesn't is that the situation itself changes. It's we take ownership of our ability to maneuver to decide to take action. Speaker 2
That's true. You said that you know, I take that long view. Remember what you're working towards. If we we we have this, you know, this too short of view, we get caught up in the whirlwind, you know, to, you know, quote, you know, the four disciplines of execution, the whirlwind being the day to day busyness and and it's the same with problems. We get too bogged down thinking about the problem rather than the solution. Or the reasons we're doing it in the first place. Speaker 0
Well, and, you just reminded. I just want to think if I could chime in briefly. I just listened. I'm almost done, to a very recent episode of, on the diary of a CEO, another podcast we'll throw a third podcast in here. And the most recent episode is with, the the world's number one happiness, coach. And, yes, we are all victims. I mean, you were a victim. I mean, for sure, right, in in the explosion you went through, but does it do you any good to constantly focus on being a victim and not stepping up and owning that situation. No. It really doesn't in the at the end. Right? The end of the day, you have we have much more control if we focus on, like you said, Aaron, the solution, and the actions and the steps we can take toward addressing the situation. No question about it. Couldn't agree more. Speaker 2
Yeah. Of course, you know, and and to touch on that third point about compounding. You know, it it works both ways, you know, just like, compounding interest Right? Either it's working for us with our investments or working against us with credit card debt. It compounds over time. Same with our problems. Right? If we don't deal with them, we don't, you know, take action. We get it's it's, you know, I call it, Newton's first law of kicking ass. Right? A body in motion tends to stay in motion. And it's the same same for taking action in your own life. Right? That you you either, you know, let the problems compound and ignore them and or and and they do seem to you know pile up, over time or you could just take action and move forward, even if it's step by step. You know, one thing at a time, and you just put it, put it in prior prioritize and move forward. So it was the three incredible, points right off the bat. So Speaker 0
One thing I wanna point out too is with this phenomenal expert on happiness, is that he mentioned that the struggle so one of the key components to happiness is actually that we need struggle and we need adversity to actually create that happiness. So, yes, our minds are are wired to look toward the negative and focus on the negative you know, through, like, for evolutionary reasons we're wired that way for sure. But at the same time, you do actually need that that struggle and that pain and that adversity to really have a fulfilling and happy life it's counterintuitive, you know, but the but the fact is it's actually a key ingredient to happiness and joy and fulfillment and purpose is going through the struggle, going through the pain. So to ignore that and to cover it up with substances or or anything else is is not is not actually ex you're not gonna experience a full full life. So Yeah. It's easy for us to talk about it on a podcast when we're not going through a difficult time right now. Of course, I get that. But if you can keep that big picture view in mind and realize, hey, I'm meant to go through some pain. I'm meant to go through a hard time life is not all rainbows and unicorns and butterflies. So this is okay. This is part of life. Right? And so and that this is actually a key ingredient to my own happiness and to me serving my purpose on this earth, it that that helps keep things in perspective. And for me, that that helps kind of navigate a bad, a rough situation and helps me take ownership like you were just talking about, Aaron, is is, you know, dealing with the situation and take action, taking steps to better the situation and move forward. So, yeah, I just wanted to throw that that point in there. Speaker 2
Framing how we look at at life really is a common thread among high productive, highly productive people, successful wealthy people. Just how we how we, you know, phrase certain things. I was just talking to, a friend legal course are who are said instead of saying I have to to say I get to. Alright? And it comes down to I just, I I just read. It was, there's some published on Facebook or something and it was, I I would love to do this, but I I have to watch my niece today. Or you could say, I'd love to do that, but I get to spend the afternoon with my niece today and connect with, you know, so It's just how we how we frame the the world around us? Speaker 0
It is. Absolutely. I I very briefly. I I was at the bank the other day I that the teller said she said, oh, it was your birthday the other day. And I said, yeah. I'm getting getting old because I just turned forty eight. You know, I was kind of, you know, just sort of complaining or or may maybe making fun of myself. And she said, well, that sure is a blessing. And I said, absolutely. You're a hundred percent right. You know, the fact that I've made it forty eight years, and I've been blessed be on this earth for forty eight years. That's that's how I should be looking at this, not that my knees ache or you know, I'm that I'm getting old. So, I mean, perspective is is huge. I mean, I don't I it doesn't Speaker 2
Let's simply note there. I'm I recently had a birthday also. Just turned forty six. And Oh, nice. Happy birthday. Well, for the whole year, I thought I was about to turn forty five. So, you know, it's like, it, you know, when you, all Sunday long, you think it's Saturday? Yeah. Absolutely. And except I had that for a year. Right. Obviously, I'll be assigned. I'll be assigned. I'm getting old. But, it is. It's just how we we we picture things. We we frame our mindset, the beliefs we hold. Yeah. And it's, you know, talking about, well renowned happiness coach. Yes. And then I always go to one of my favorite books. I mentioned it all the time. And probably once every other podcast episode, I mentioned the happiness advantage by Sean Haker. And Okay. Heard of that. There are I think he has seven principles of happiness. And it's really one of them is all about our perspective. And Speaker 2
The one is the the fulcrum and the lever. Right? And for for one person who has to do something today, it might be a difficult day. But for somebody who gets to do something the day in the the activity is a gift and while you're talking about, We need we need the the, adversity. We need the struggle. We do need to toil because that's that's a component of achievement. Without, the, without the work, how do we achieve anything? And that's one of those, personal needs of the, you know, the human psyche. We need to Yeah. Feel achievement Now we need that, feeling of, of, you know, the meaning in our lives that we mean we have value. And it all comes down to, if we get to do something today, whether it's hard work or just get to have a birthday. Speaker 0
And it doesn't mean we're changing we're living in some fantasy world, you know, by by by being all positive and pretending that we don't have problems or something like that. That's not it at all. We're acknowledging that this the situation we're in, we're owning the situation, the the adversity that we're going through. But
Speaker 2
No. You're absolutely right there.
Speaker 0
In particular, Yeah. Can can have a huge influence on how things progress and how how much impact you have on people and how much, abundance you end up living in in your own life for sure. So, it's not a fantasy world. It's we're still living living in reality, but you're absolutely right that your perspective is is critical to how you navigate a challenging situation and how you become your the best version of yourself.
Speaker 2
You mentioned Jacqueline and extreme ownership.
Speaker 2
And and as soon as, you said that. So I was thinking about, how you know, it's it's not like we're ignoring the problem or have this false sense of optimism or hope or, you know, we just do not feeling our feelings. And just like Jaka would somebody comes to him and says, okay, we're running low in ammunition. The enemy is all around us. And, we're short, you know, a few men and Jaco would respond good. We we have an opportunity to, fix a real challenge and learn from it and overcome. Right? Yeah. So it as soon as you frame it good, I get to face a challenge. And then the the hardship itself doesn't seem so part. Absolutely.
Speaker 0
For sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2
And I think you you mentioned just before, we started recording that you've faced some some challenges recently? Any anything you care to dimension?
Speaker 0
Well, every no. Everything's been been perfectly. It's all rainbows and unicorns and butterflies for me, but for everyone else no, I'm kidding. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, you know, and and on my show, I we we don't I I always make the the, kind of caveat or disclaimer that, yes, my show is called from adversity to abundance. That doesn't mean that you you go through adversity and now you live in abundance for the rest of your life. It it doesn't mean that you don't go through additional adversity. Right? And so I've had plenty of ups and downs in my own my own life. You know, recently, within the last year and a half, we've dealt with, some some real challenges in our family. And, I won't get into all the specifics, but we've dealt with some serious issues, particularly with my son and his health and, particularly mental health. And, you know, he's fourteen. So I'll let some years go by, you know, where we can dis he can decide how much he wants to share out there publicly, but I will tell you that, around this time last year, in January of last year, when things really started to decline, significantly in our house. And, in our home, I had a lot of business stress going on at that time as well, which I think speaking of compounding, I I do think the two things are somewhat related that there was just just a lot of stress in our home in general. I have, wife and two kids. We live in Maryland just for a little bit more context. Two teenage, children, and, our son ended up going through some very serious mental health challenges. He on the autism spectrum, autism, disorder spectrum, if you will. And and, you know, but additionally, went through some some very serious, mental health challenges separate from that. And then recently we found out that he actually has a genetic condition. We didn't find this out for, about, I mean, he's fourteen And we didn't know for fourteen years that he's had this gin very rare genetic condition since, since he was in the womb. So, he was in and out of psychiatric hospitals in the first quarter of twenty twenty three. And needless to say, but I'll say it anyway is that it put an incredible amount of stress on our family. And, yeah, I'm happy to to kind of discuss some of the some of the ways we navigated that. I will I'm I'm also very happy to say that right now, as we record this January nineteenth, twenty twenty four, both the the business situation and the situation with my son's mental health, have improved dramatically. And so are we out of the woods yet? No. You know, I wouldn't say that, but, I'm just so grateful, you know, because because we did go through such a challenging time. I am so grateful, to say that that things are are stable and generally happy at home. And and, I will tell you that this is something that's, you know, we're facing a a mental health crisis in our in our country. So you know, as much as as I'd love to say my son's situation was an isolated incident and, is this just not just not the case if you look across the country. I think, the pandemic had a massive effect on kids and teenagers in a negative way, and the shutdowns. Not to get too too political there, but it it just, I think it really caused some serious anguish and anxiety and depression amongst teenagers and couple that with social media and some other you know, other factors for sure. I think we're facing a real crisis that many people haven't even acknowledged yet. And, unfortunately, for our for us at home, that was front and center. And it was extremely, extremely challenging in many ways that I won't get into, but, Yeah. I I'm just thankful that, everybody's alive and well at this point.
Speaker 2
You know, that's it that age is it this is difficult time for any kid. Boys girls. It just it's that that's a period of transition from childhood into adulthood and no point in a human life is there are there more changes, mentally, physically, otherwise, they're socially. In such a short time frame. They are literally they be literally become different people. For sure.
Speaker 0
And and, in my son's case, he actually didn't speak more than maybe a a word, you know, maybe a couple words, per week to us. He didn't speak for about four or five months while he was going through some very serious you know, mental health challenges. So that makes it difficult on on the parents and the rest of the family because you don't know. You don't you don't know if he's choosing this, you don't know if he meaning choosing not to speak or or or just is unable to, and and you don't know what he's going through. And he's still doesn't say a whole lot. He's he's a becoming a man of few words. He's a a boy of few words becoming a man of words. But, you know, when the the when the person going through this situation isn't able to convey or doesn't convey, you know, what they're what they're going through.
Speaker 0
very difficult to help. And, so that made it extra challenging for sure. Now that we have this recent information about his genetic condition, which I which I'm seeing as a total blessing, by the way, the the the information. We understand more now than that he really a lot of kids with this genetic condition actually never, never speak or have very serious, speech disorders. So that helps me with empathy as well, to be honest with you because, you know, it's like, okay. He's not just being a a jerk, he just can't speak right now. And so, so that, you know, there there's a lot to navigate there and and, we've been through a lot as a family. And, this is not to to have a pity party for Jamie and his family. It's just to say, Hey, this is real. You know, people might see me on social media or see see me talking about business success and and everything. And and that's great. And that's that that not that that's fake, but there are also some real challenging times, that that we've that I've personally been through, and and we've been through it at home. And, so the mental health piece, I think, is is critical, and I, and I wanna have more and more guests on my show to address that topic. I do think it's very complicated. It it has to do with physical health as well. It's not some isolated thing, but it's still kind of a nebulous topic dealing with it, you know, just mental health and and mental challenges, mental adversity is not it's a very complicated area that I think, we're only scratching the surface on. But, yeah. Anyway, it's, I'm just just very grateful, you know, to to be where we are. I think you know, one of the key takeaways, Aaron, that that I have from that situation, and and it's not a hundred percent in the rearview mirror, but One of the key takeaways is is focusing what on what you can control. And I'll give you a quick, example of what I mean. When I when when my son was in the hospital, you know, I'm spending hours and hours researching all these hypothetical all these possible situation are are drivers for this situation. I mean, so does he have does he have bipolar disorder does he have a brain tumor? Does he have, you know, does he have, some mitochondrial disorder? You know, all these rabbit holes where I'd spend hours and hours reading. And, yeah, it's great to gather information, but but at the end of the day, it's on some level, it it kinda doesn't matter because I can't control that anyway. So, you know, so so one of the takeaways was, hey, I'm not gonna have all the information. I'm gonna keep pursuing trying to trying to gather more information, but but knowing that I'm not gonna have all the information and and just take it one day at a time and and focus on what you can control, that's been critical for us at home as we navigate this this situation.
Speaker 2
And do your best not to create hypochondria by proxy All the, all the potential, illnesses that your son may be suffering from. And I tell you when Absolutely. He's he's lucky to have parents who love him so much and they care Yeah. So much about his well-being. You know, you're lucky, to have the opportunity to, you know, put that effort in and and That's right. You show your family, your son, how much, you know, his father cares for him.
Speaker 0
Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me let me just, you're absolutely right. I'm sorry to It's it's a it's a topic I get a little passionate about. So, recently, I want I wanna share how how I approach this my son with when we found out that so the condition he has is called med thirteen l. It's very rare. They're just learning more and more about it. M e d l, he has a, that genetic condition where there's a misspelling in his genes. And You know, your your listener can Google it, of course, but, we've just found this out within two months. And so the way I frame this, this gets back to your point, Erin, about perspective, right, and and framing things, how we approach things. So what I told him was that, I said, you know, you can look at this as though why me, most kids don't have this med thirteen l genetic condition because we we shared the information with him about about his condition And I said, you can look at this as as I'm a victim. Why did god give me this genetic misspelling? Most kids don't have this this problem or this challenge. It's not fair. Life is not fair. Or you can say, hey, among the kids who have this or or people who have this genetic condition. I'm one of the few who actually can speak. And, I mean, there there are many many people who have serious muscular and skeletal challenges with this. If they have this genetic condition, many of these kids have heart serious heart conditions that, you know, lead to a very challenging life, if not death. And so if you compare my son's situation to kind of the broader group of people who have been diagnosed with this genetic condition. He's super lucky. So I said, Hey, you're really lucky. You know? I mean, that's that's how you can look at this. You can opt to look at it as I'm a victim, or I'm really lucky. And they're both we're not changing the facts of anything. The that's the that's the situation he's in no matter how he chooses to to look at it. Right? I think he's gonna live a much better life if he in the end chooses to look at this as I'm blessed. I'm lucky. Things could be so much worse. And the other thing I mentioned to him was, hey, you're one of the rare cases at Johns Hopkins Hospital. They wanna study you. I said, you're you're cutting edge, man. Like, this is this is really cool. They wanna study and learn from you. And his eyes lit up, and he said, he He's, like, he's really interested now in doing more DNA testing and more genetic testing on himself because he's He didn't have that interest and now he does. So, you know, it's it it is a hundred percent about your perspective. It's easier said than done. It's easy for you and I to talk about this on a podcast, and tell people what they should what they should do. But that is a recent example how I tried to help him help my son frame his perspective as we go through this this adversity. Speaker 2
Not the same as when you mentioned, the ebb and flow of adversity and abundance. Right? It's it's almost like it's to click or there are types to it, we go through our challenges with in it's internal as well as external. And we're not always in one or the other. Right? We're not only always facing adversity or challenge and or only always in a state of abundance. It's yeah. That mindset, that perspective that we've been talking about, it's a practice. Like meditation or working out. Speaker 2
We've got two. It's it's it's not a habit. It's more of a routine. Where you've got to remind yourself that this is the way I should be thinking about this. Then it doesn't always work. We get down on ourselves. Even the strongest will power and the strongest mindset. Have a once in a while doubt and fear and anger, all those other emotions that are negative and self defeating still come get in. And Right. A great example of a case study where for four years, I was I had that right mindset about being blind, and then I go deaf. And I was not I was not very, you know, I was not very, but positive person for a little while. It wasn't, great to be around. Because I was thinking why me again. Sure. Why does this have to happen? To the same person. So Speaker 2
Not to talk to me, on the show. Bryan, you wanted to talk about you. But, you you make a great point there where it's you don't just kinda lock in on a mindset. Yeah. No. It takes practice. Speaker 0
Absolutely. And and my my wife will make fun of me sometimes because, you know, my podcast is is supposed to be positive and inspirational, and I'm always talking about this kinda thing, but the reality is I have I have bad days. I complain, you know, like anyone else. Right? So it it should she'll, you know, she'll kinda call me out if I'm getting a little too, too negative. And that's not to say negative emotions are bad, by the way. I think I'm trying to see that positive and negative. All emotions are actually good. That they're not negative emotion aren't bad. It's just what do you do with them? Right? And, they're very real, and they're they're there for a reason, and they've kept us alive over the, you know, it it, you know, anger, sadness. Those aren't bad things. Those are not the the those are that's okay. Right? And I think that's part of it is just accepting that having negative emotions is is not a bad thing, but but do you stay there? Do you stay there? And, like, how long do you stay there? And wallow? And you know, play that victim card and and, you know, I don't think anyone would blame you, Aaron, for being for having that, that approach to your, your own situation, I I I don't know what that's like. I I don't know if if I would have stayed there mentally for ten years. Yeah. I I don't know. But it likely didn't objectively speaking. You know, it didn't probably serve you or or the people around you I'm I'm I'm not trying to judge you. I'm just just as a case study, like you said, did it help you to stay there mentally I doubt it. Right? And that another another interesting point I'm to bring up here is I do actually think, and the doctor talked about this on on this, episode of the diary of a CEO. He he says that in our society, empathy actually has been a little bit overvalued, and what we really need is compassion. So, you know, if I if you look at someone who's going through a really tough situation. It doesn't mean that you need to necessarily feel that exact pain because I don't know the pain that you went through, Aaron. I mean, I and I I really can't. Right? So he draws a distinction between empathy and compassion. And sometimes what what what people actually need is is compassion, something that's actually you know, understanding, but also giving, some help as opposed to, oh, I have empathy for your situation. I feel you're pain, and we now we're both now we're both struggling. So I don't pretend to be an expert in in, psychology or anything like that. But I thought that was an interesting distinction that that I just recently learned about as well? Speaker 2
I think I I've heard it phrased similarly where empathy was the somebody's ability to, match the feelings. Somebody else is is feeling. And to to understand someone else's feelings and compassion was the willingness to take on other people's pain, other people's emotions, Speaker 2
and share the burden with it. So Right. Yeah. And and we certainly do need more of that. You didn't learn all of this just from from hosting a podcast. You're a former army officer. Entrepreneur. Tell me a little bit about the the background now. You came to they'd be the host, from a diversity world mandate. Speaker 0
Absolutely. You know, I think life has chapped and and, you know, one of the chapters after college, I was kinda done with team sports and and that was a huge part of my life. And then, wasn't really sure what I wanted to do, to be honest with you. And, The reason I joined the military, you know, at the time, I think a lot of people thought I was kinda kinda crazy because my family really didn't have not a big military family. We just it wasn't like, you know, I know some some families, it's like, oh, that's just what you do or, you know, All the all the people in my family serve, so I'm gonna serve. That's not at all how it was for me. And I joined a little bit later than most people. I actually went through basic training and officer candidate school when I was twenty eight years old. That's pretty old, at that time. You know, it doesn't seem old now, but, to be going through this. Speaker 2
Pretty long in the tube for the military. Speaker 0
Yeah. It is. Certainly for basic training. I mean, and so why did I do that? Like, and interestingly enough, I got, my wife and I got married. And then, and then I left for the military, and I missed our first three wedding anniversary deliveries due to military training and deployment. And it looked like I got married and then ran away. What the reality was I had that in the works well before we got married, and then that's just how the how things fell. And as you know, you don't have a lot of control once you raise your right hand and sign that contract. But why did I join the military? I I it gets back to purpose and meaning and serving. And, you know, at the risk of sound of patting myself on the back, that's that's not my goal, but I wanted to do something with meaning and purpose. I wanted my life to count. Right? And so once I didn't have the, the team sports and really, something I was striving for. I needed to be I felt I needed to be a part of something bigger than self and, you know, what better way to serve than to serve your your country? I mean, that's that's really what it was. Yes. I could have some income. Yes. Like, you know, there are other benefits to being in a military, but it was really about being a part of something bigger than myself and and serving others. So, yeah, through all that, I ended up taking a role with the Department of Defense as a civilian, and I worked at, Fort Mead in Maryland for fourteen years as a civilian. And, part of that was part time, and then I started to build, my, my real estate business, and now I do mortgage note investing, and I have a loan servicing company. So I've started to build my I didn't I didn't have that a crazy story where I ripped off the Band Aid and and, quit my w two and figured it out. I I it was a slow bill for me. I did have a family. And so, I was able to, over the course of really a decade kind of build up, have a have a w two income on some level, but then build up my entrepreneurial streams of income as well. Briefly, the reason I started my podcast was that I was on I was a co host on a mortgage note investing podcast. It was called the Good deeds note investing podcast. I didn't start the show, but I was asked to be a co host, and I I helped, run that show for about two years. That was a fantastic experience. What came out of that was that I love the hu human stories about adversity. And getting to abundance and the mindset stuff that you and I are talking about right now. And so, yes, it was fun, fine to talk about how do you make money on a non performing note, how do you navigate a foreclosure in South Carolina? How do you go what's chapter thirteen bankruptcy? That's fine. It's important to know if being in a if you you choose to to be a an investor. But it got old. And what really appealed to me was, wow. How did this drug addict in Baltimore City, who robbed multiple banks, turned his life around by turning to real estate and quitting his job through real estate investing and be and become a fantastic member of society. That was unbelievable. You know, just as a as an example. So I started to realize it's truly the human element that appealed to me And so now from adversity to abundance, quite honestly, has been mostly a passion project where once this comes out, we will have been over a hundred we'll have a hundred episodes out. So does it make money for me? No. It doesn't. It's just something that I love doing, and I love learning from people, and I love, I'm hoping that it adds value to the listener and, you know, the the broader, to everyone out there. So that's that's really kind of the high level, long winded, but high level snapshot of how how I got here. Speaker 2
Well, you know, with that last point about the podcast not making money directly. And that's that's the only not the only way to benefit from having podcast. You're networking with others, you're building relationships, and building credibility, for yourself and your business, then You're also growing as a person as you. Mhmm. Your stories is incredible stories. Like, your bank robber example, Just imagining how much reframing of mindset that person had to go through. To change the entire trajectory of their life. So, that's Speaker 0
episode one of my podcasts in my podcast. Check that. It's, Mark Owens. I had him on their I've I've interviewed him twice once on each podcast. I hosted. But episode one is the one where I'm referring to Mark Owen's incredible story. But yes. I mean, it's And the the the amazing thing about these stories is that the principles can apply to anyone. They really can. So no, you probably won't end up you you listener probably won't end up in jail from being a drug addict and a bank robber, most likely. Hope Right? But you can take the lessons that Mark Owens learned and the principles that he applied and apply them to your life today. There's nothing stopping you from doing that. Speaker 2
Is if there's somebody you know, of course, there's somebody out there that's, dealing with their own adversity, maybe they're in that low, point. What are some some actions they can take right now to start changing their mindset, start taking So building up that inertia that we were talking about earlier. Besides Speaker 2
Taking, you know, ownership You talk. You you you mentioned earlier about communication. Being able to ask for help. Speaker 2
What are some things that we can do? Speaker 0
Yeah. I think that's a great great question because, again, it's nice to talk about. Change your mindset. Okay. Take care. Well, that that's not very helpful. Right? Some more tactical things. So taking ownership one hundred percent. I mean, definitely, you definitely need to view this situation as this is where I am, whether it's my fault or not, it kinda doesn't matter. This is where I am. So own the situation. Mhmm. But that doesn't mean that you're by yourself. When I say own your situation. That doesn't mean you're on an island and nobody cares and good luck with your it's your problem. No. You absolutely need help. To get out of this situation most likely. So so, of course, every situation is different, but I imagine Aaron, when you were going through your most challenging times, you needed a lot of help. Right? And so there's there's likely no way you could have navigated that by yourself. With my son's situation. We we we needed a ton of help from doctors and other professionals and experts and family members to get through that. So don't think that it you're on an island and and by yourself. Communication is critical goal. You know, there's certainly a fine line between whining about all of your problems that are not really that big of a deal, And, hey, I really need help with this situation. This is what's going on. So I think just being intentional about who about having people in your life who are there, who do have compassion and and are willing to help and can help and will listen. I think just you know, building out those those relationships and those deep connections, is is critical. This may seem a little bit off the wall, Aaron, but one thing that's been very helpful for me in navigating challenging situations is breath work. I never thought I would say this, but I've been doing regular breath work in the mornings for over, actually about a year now. And it's been huge. I mean, five to ten minutes. You can YouTube different different breath work videos, and they're different different ways to go about it. Box breathing is one thing people can look up. But so along with communicating with family members and friends, I think simple actions like breath work daily, daily active daily actions such as breath work can go a long way in navigating stress. I being a former military officer and a former, La Cross collegiate athlete, It it just, I never thought I would say things, something like this, to be honest with you, but, that's been a huge piece of very easy thing to do to implement today. I mean, you can literally start today. It's very accessible. And so if you're dealing with stress from a challenging situation, highly recommend doing a daily ritual of breath work. You don't need a ten step morning routine that's gonna take three hours. But five or ten minutes of breath work in the morning is critical. And I would also throw in, you know, just, you know, I don't I'd say prayer for me has been critical as well. I I've, I've stepped up, in the last year, my daily prayer, and and quiet time, routine as well as breath work. And that whole thing takes twenty or thirty minutes each morning It's not a big it's not a big commitment, but it goes a long, long way. So I'd say communicate with friends, family, god, if you believe in god, and then breath work. Are a couple a few things you can do immediately to help navigate the day to day of a challenging situation. Speaker 2
You know, I was just talking to, the guys from men talking mindfulness, men talking mindfulness, John McCaskill and Will Schneider. And they do the box breathing, in for four, hold for four, out for four, What was it? Speaker 2
Hold for four. And they go through that actually on their podcast Speaker 2
of the first things. This is this is they introduce their their guests. They all do it together. And, it's they say is if you if somebody is not familiar with, meditation, breath work is like the first step. And a lot of bit of what meditation is is, you know, thinking, you know, what to think about and what not to think about while doing breath work. And so I totally agree. Yeah. It's it's very beneficial. Speaker 0
And just totally. And I tried, and this is not to put down meditation by itself. But I I tried it for a while just meditating, and it just for some reason, it didn't stick for me. I I'm sure there's something I could work on there. But the breath work actually brought it home where it was actually something I could understand and work through, and and it it does change. It's effect I don't know why. Speaker 2
Meditations and another one of those things. Another were those practices that take actual work because I'm suddenly just snap into. Yeah. It's something Yeah. I haven't put any work into. But, both the work I can do. Speaker 0
Yeah. Well, and I and also, since we're on this point, just very briefly, I wanna mention that people love to substitute meditation for prayer and and I don't think they're the same thing. I think they have maybe similar similar immediate, effects, but To me, prayer is is a communication. It's back to communication, and that's that's that's not the same thing as meditation. Meditation you're not actually there's no one on the other end of the the line, so to speak. So to me, those are maybe look like similar practices from the outside, but they actually are not they're not the same thing. Good board. So, yeah, anyway. Well, Speaker 2
I know, I know you've got some place to meet. But, and, Jamie, I've had a great conversation with you and enjoyed talking to you again. It's been too long. If somebody wants to learn more about you, get involved, with your phone. Speaker 2
listen to the podcast. Where can they reach you? Working the partner? Speaker 0
Yeah. Absolutely. I'll try not to give too many ways contact me because the people get lost then. But, adversity to abundance dot com. So and that's the number two, because the, That was a cheaper cheaper website to buy cheaper domain. Adversity to abundance dot com is our podcast website And you can absolutely, listen to to listen to podcast episodes there. Like I said, we're over a hundred now by the time this comes out, And then separately labrador lending dot com is, my my main, investing website. And we have a fund offering for accredited investors there. So adversity to abundance dot com, the number two, and labrador lending dot com are the two ways to, check me out. Speaker 2
Alright. I'll put that in the, shout outs. Thank you so much, Jamie. I really appreciate this job. Speaker 0
Aaron, this has been fantastic. I I hope your listener gets some listeners get some value out of it. Thanks, man. Speaker 2
Thank you. Thank you Speaker 1
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